In the Episode, I am joined by Loren Steffy. I met Loren when he was the business columnist for the Houston Chronicle. Steffy now has his own consulting practice. He has been a long-time business journalist, author and commentator on business issues, generally focusing on energy issues. On the morning of April 19, 1995, he was working for Bloomberg in Dallas Texas and was called by a colleague who suggested he hop in his car and drive to Oklahoma City in the wake of the bombing at the Alfred P. Murrah Federal Building. He talks about reporting live from Oklahoma City for the next five days, his reflection on that time 25 years later and how the actions of Timothy McVeigh presaged the issues of domestic terrorism from Oklahoma City to 9/11 to  Charlottesville and Charleston. We conclude our podcast with a short discussion on Steffy’s latest book, co-written with Chrysta Castañeda, The Last Trial of Boone Pickens.