Welcome to the Great Women in Compliance Podcast, co-hosted by Lisa Fine and Mary Shirley and to the new GWIC year. Many of us, especially women, think about the importance of being nice and kind, but have you thought about the differences between those two concepts? And is it a problem to be nice at work? In this episode, Lisa speaks with Amy Schuh, a partner at Morgan Lewis, talks about the distinction – and how being nice works only when things are going well, and being kind also includes being genuine, supporting your team and is critical to building a successful compliance function.
In particular, she talks about an article Reasons to stop being nice at work (fastcompany.com) which is incredibly thought provoking.
Amy sees her career path as a “jungle gym,” where she has moved between law firms to legal and compliance roles in large companies, and has successfully avoided monitors. She shares her experiences in both, and how they have influenced her current work and how she built her career.
Lisa and Amy also talk about how they connect and build trust in relationships, and how to build and retain strong teams, particularly with the concept of fairness to employees. Spoiler alert: treating everyone equally isn’t the same as being fair. That concept is included in Hiring Wisdom: Top 10 Ways to Guarantee Your Best People Will Quit – TLNT.
The ”homework” that Lisa did to speak with Amy in those two articles are now a part of Lisa’s library…which also includes Mary Shirley’s Corporate Compliance Insights monthly column.
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