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Gold in the Compliance Hills: Part 5, Investment Strategies for the Compliance Professional

Welcome to a special five-part podcast series on how to unlock the gold in your program, hosted by Tom Fox with guests Gio and Nick Gallo from ComplianceLine. One of the ongoing issues in compliance is to demonstrate the Return on Investment (ROI) in your compliance program. One way to do so is by demonstrating the extended value of compliance literally across your entire company. When overlaid with an ESG component, you can begin to see the gold in your compliance hills. In addition to showing how you can unlock the gold in your own compliance hills, Gio and Nick walk you through how demonstrate ROI for your internal budgeting process which can provide to you the financial resource to strengthen and improve your compliance program.

Join us for the full 5 episodes and learn to see your compliance program in an entirely new light. In this concluding Part 5, we consider investments strategies for the compliance professional in the short and long term.

Some of the highlights of this episode include:

·      What is Beta Investment and how does volatility work into overall compliance investment strategies?
·      What is volatility and how a compliance professional can harness it for a compliance investment strategy?
·      How to think about your growth curve.
·      Investments in compliance to drive employee engagement and lower turnover.

Resources

Gio Gallo on LinkedIn

Nick Gallo on LinkedIn

ComplianceLine

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Investment Strategies for the Compliance Professional

Welcome to the final entry in our special five-part blog post series on how to unlock the gold in your program. I have visited with Gio Gallo and Nick Gallo, Co-CEO’s of ComplianceLine, LLC, the series sponsor. In this concluding Part 5, we consider investment strategies for the compliance professional.
We began with the basic concept in investing that the greater the risk, properly managed, the greater the potential return. From there, we turned to how would an investor type, whether it be a Private Equity (PE), Venture Capitalist (VC) or others, think through managing risk. What sort of models would they use? How could those models assist compliance professionals to manage risk? With proper risk management, this can create a huge return on your compliance investment.
Nick explained this is the relationship between risk and return and not the just existence of whether there is a risk at all. He stated, “The amount of risk that someone is willing to take on is generally tied to the return that they expect or the return that they think is possible.” For the compliance professionals this is “trying to give some new colors to paint with new words”. It allows you to speak finance language a little bit more. Finally, for someone with a legal training (like myself) he added, “even if you don’t actually understand all these concepts, at least appear to understand them, high enough level to be talking across the table.” It really boils down to a question of risk and return.
We considered the two big categories of investments in the alternative space (i.e., non-public and non-banking). The first is private equity investing and second is venture capital investing. A typical private equity investor is going to try to make a bunch of bets. They are going to try to have a positive return on virtually all of those bets, the standard deviation, the volatility or the range of outcomes are going to be particular and are going to be relatively more dialed in around what the upside is. This allows them to protect their downside by buying good businesses that are probably proven to some level. While there obviously is downside, hopefully there will be protection. Another way to look at is they are going to be running a bunch of different plays on those investments or on that portfolio so there is relatively a high confidence interval on a dialed in investment outcome with the possibility for some big pops.
On the other side of the fence, is venture capital investing, which tends to have a much wider standard deviation of return. Here investors take on companies at an earlier stage. Gio said, “Maybe they are not proven yet. Maybe they are not cashflow positive. Maybe they have not even found their legs or their market.” Here maybe one out of 10 investments pan out, although of course, if you hit big it can be a home run or even a grand slam.
Both of these examples are important because they demonstrate the lens through which a finance professional will look at a potential compliance program investment. There is actually a wide range of how a finance person is going to think about risk. It is not simply “is there a risk or not? Because the answer is there’s always risk.” Even if you can find the safest investment there is always some risk present.
The final concept to overlay on top of this is beta, which Nick explained “is essentially the extent to which a particular investment moves with the broader market. You can use this as a concept to talk about an investment in your ethics and compliance space, or we can boil it down to talk about the stability of an investment relative to the market. And some things will have a positive beta or a negative beta or a high beta or a low beta or whatever, but the market goes up 5% and your investment goes up 5% with it. The market goes down 5% and it goes down 5% with it has a beta of one. If the market goes up 5% and your investment goes up 10% and it goes down 5% and then the investment goes down 10%, it is more volatile and it’s swinging more violently with market moves and has a beta of, in this case, two.”
This allows a compliance profession to think about broad compliance investments in a similar framework. Your compliance investment may have “a beta of zero. This could generate positive returns for your bottom line, irrespective of what our business does. Whether our business is going up or it’s going down, these investments that we, as an ethics compliance department, want to make are going to reinforce our culture and you are going to drop dollars to our bottom line, irrespective of what’s happening with the top line.”
You can take that same concept further by positing a negative beta or a zero-beta investment. It is important to remember that when you speak to a finance professional you are “not just a risk person, you are speaking to a risk and return person.” This means they will understand that a compliance investment will perform particularly well in a down market. Nick concluded, “if you are making ethics and compliance investments or taking steps within your program or getting budget released to actualize your program, that actually releases the magic in the workforce by driving higher employee engagement and lowering turnover.” These are two areas that directly impact the bottom line regardless of what might be happening at the top line of the organization, “regardless of what headwinds the organization might be approaching or hitting.”
These concepts were all obviously new to me, but the Brothers Gallo are really on to something here. By using these approaches to talk to finance professional in their terms and approaching your budget from the finance perspective, you have a real opportunity to garner budget dollars to invest in your compliance program. By using the strategies of compounding and extending out the value of compliance throughout the organization, you can then demonstrate the return on that investment.
Check out the full podcast series this blog post series is based upon.
Episode 1
Episode 2
Episode 3
Episode 4
Episode 5

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Gold in the Compliance Hills: Part 4, Finance and Investing Models for Compliance


Welcome to a special five-part podcast series on how to unlock the gold in your program, hosted by Tom Fox with guests Gio and Nick Gallo from ComplianceLine. One of the ongoing issues in compliance is to demonstrate the Return on Investment (ROI) in your compliance program. One way to do so is by demonstrating the extended value of compliance literally across your entire company. When overlaid with an ESG component, you can begin to see the gold in your compliance hills. In addition to showing how you can unlock the gold in your own compliance hills, Gio and Nick walk you through how demonstrate ROI for your internal budgeting process which can provide to you the financial resource to strengthen and improve your compliance program.
Join us for the full 5 episodes and learn to see your compliance program in an entirely new light. In this Part 4, we consider finance and investment models for the corporate compliance function.
Some of the highlights of this episode include:

  • How does the Black Swan model of risk relate to the corporate compliance function?
  • When is a possible event simply a risk and when is it a Black Swan event?
  • Why is business continuity so critical?
  • What are Private Equity and Venture Capital models of funding and how to they relate to the corporate compliance function?
  • How to think about the payout of an investment in compliance.

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Gio Gallo on LinkedIn
Nick Gallo on LinkedIn
ComplianceLine

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Mining the Gold in the Compliance Hills: Part 4 – Finance and Investing Models for Compliance

Welcome to a special five-part blog post series on how to unlock the gold in your program. I visit with Gio Gallo and Nick Gallo, Co-CEO’s of ComplianceLine, LLC, the sponsor of this series.
One of the ongoing issues in compliance is to demonstrate the Return on Investment (ROI) in your compliance program. One way to do so is by demonstrating the extended value of compliance literally across your entire company. When overlaid with an ESG component, you can begin to see the gold in your compliance hills. In addition to showing how you can unlock the gold in your own compliance hills, Gio and Nick discussed demonstrating ROI for your internal budgeting process which can provide to you the financial resource to strengthen and improve your compliance program. Today, in Part 4, we consider finance and investment models for the corporate compliance function.
If there is one topic that every compliance professional understands it is risk analysis, but this is not the same type of risk analysis that a financial professional would look at. Gio noted that a finance professional would have a different focus in their risk lens. It would focus on such questions as “what is the risk of your investment? What is the risk in your model and your assumptions?” It is almost as if you need a translator to get into the room.
To Illustrate, he pointed to the example of a Black Swan event. With a Black Swan event you could have a wide distribution of different outcomes. A Black Swan event is very rare and it may be so small that it almost does not show up on your radar. However, “if you land on that number, right, if the roulette wheel spins around and lands at that number, it could be a total disaster. It can be an 80% chance everything will be fine and there’s a 90% chance we’ll be 10% bigger next year. And there’s a 70% chance that we’ll be 20% smaller or more difficult next year or whatever. Well, there might be a 0.0003% chance that this bad thing happens.” Yet the outcome is just so catastrophic, similar to the once in a 1,000-year flood, you cannot simply plan for it.”
Yet the Texas Gulf Coast had a 1,000-year flooding event in 2017 (and two 500-year flooding events withing 18 months). While you might not typically plan for the 1,000-year flood, it is a known possibility and I have lived through one and indeed and several 500-year floods. This means you must take the Black Swan concept and continuously re-evaluate it to move from something that could well happen because if it does, the result could be very bad and the circumstances have changed. This means you need to change your basic risk assumptions about calling it a Black Swan event. Gio had an interesting response to this and it was basically to think about storytelling. He listed several events such as the levees breaking causing the flooding of the city of New Orleans or the Fukishima Nuclear Plant flooding. These were both events which seemed very low probability yet were certainly within the realm of the possible. Perhaps even a known unknown.
This series of events illustrate that in the financial realm, you must be ready to move quickly.  As Gio noted, “simply because you do not have the whole script and talk track put together and know that something terrible might happen. This can create a damaging dynamic between a CCO and someone in the finance function or in the executive level. Their response may well be ‘what do you want me to do about that?’ What are we going to do this month as there’s budget for it? So, if you can bridge that to, hey, we all know that this terrible stuff might happen and it’s not going to take a thousand years for a 1,000 year flood to happen.”
In response to this scenario, Nick said, “I suggest you take a little bit different tack than ignoring this Black Swan event.” Start by using the power of compounding interest to demonstrate your organization does not need to completely defend against this type of event in the next two months. You can use the power of your investment in compliance to essentially “build the levees a few feet higher so that when the next biggest flood occurs, we defend against it and talk about that in the realm of this is going to take another 2% of the compliance team’s budget to get a little bit better on this.” Even at this stage the compounding of the investment can create some very robust compliance practices for your organization. The bottom line is that if you we invest this 2% each year over the next five years, your compliance program will be five times better at defending against this 500 or 1,000-year flood.
Check out the full podcast series this blog post series is based upon.
Episode 1
Episode 2
Episode 3
Episode 4

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Gold in the Compliance Hills: Part 3, Compliance and ESG Investments


Welcome to a special five-part podcast series on how to unlock the gold in your program, hosted by Tom Fox with guests Gio and Nick Gallo from ComplianceLine. One of the ongoing issues in compliance is to demonstrate the Return on Investment (ROI) in your compliance program. One way to do so is by demonstrating the extended value of compliance literally across your entire company. When overlaid with an ESG component, you can begin to see the gold in your compliance hills. In addition to showing how you can unlock the gold in your own compliance hills, Gio and Nick walk you through how demonstrate ROI for your internal budgeting process which can provide to you the financial resource to strengthen and improve your compliance program.
Join us for the full 5 episodes and learn to see your compliance program in an entirely new light. In this Part 3, we consider how a CFO and finance department might see ESG investments differently than a CCO and compliance professional.
Some of the highlights of this episode include:

  • A CFO and finance function will more likely see ESG in relations to capital markets, bank financing, index funds and even insurance costs.
  • How can a CCO speak this language about not only the compliance program but in leading the company’s ESG efforts?
  • How to package your data, documentation and reports regarding ESG to appeal to a CFO.
  • Seek input on what investors are looking from your ESG program.

Resources
Gio Gallo on LinkedIn
Nick Gallo on LinkedIn
ComplianceLine

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Alexis Wermuth – The Ideator


As with Lisa’s episode last week, Mary brings a memorable former colleague onto the Great Women in Compliance show, Alexis Wermuth.  Alexis is a Compliance executive at Getinge, a medical device company.
It is an exceptional few in Compliance who are creative or artistic.  Alexis is one of those people and made an invaluable contribution to the internal marketing team at Fresenius Medical Care North America’s Compliance department (see episode with Sarah Hadden for more on this initiative).  After talking about some of the risks in the medical device field, Alexis talks about injecting creativity into her Compliance program and reminisces with Mary about some of their favorite projects when working together with ideas for listeners to implement in their own programs.
After finishing up at Fresenius Medical Care, Alexis moved to New Jersey and discusses the considerations she weighed up when deciding to make the move and a new job opportunity.  She also shares a favorite productivity hack.
Lisa and Mary wish to extend deepest gratitude to listeners and readers who heeded the call to vote for their book “Sending the Elevator Back Down: What We’ve Learned from Great Women in Compliance” (CCI Press, 2020).  The voting closed 1 December, the launch of this episode and the GWIC team eagerly awaits the outcome of the award process.
The Great Women in Compliance Podcast is on the Compliance Podcast Network with a selection of other Compliance related offerings to listen in to.  If you are enjoying this episode, please rate it on your preferred podcast player to help other likeminded Ethics and Compliance professionals find it.  You can also find the GWIC podcast on Corporate Compliance Insights where Lisa and Mary have a landing page with additional information about them and the story of the podcast.  Corporate Compliance Insights is a much appreciated sponsor and supporter of GWIC, including affiliate organization CCI Press publishing the related book; “Sending the Elevator Back Down, What We’ve Learned from Great Women in Compliance” (CCI Press, 2020).

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Mining the Gold in the Compliance Hills: Part 3 – Compliance and ESG Investments

Welcome to a special five-part blog post series on how to unlock the gold in your program. I visit with Gio Gallo and Nick Gallo, Co-CEO’s of ComplianceLine, LLC, the sponsor of this series.
One of the ongoing issues in compliance is to demonstrate the Return on Investment (ROI) in your compliance program. One way to do so is by demonstrating the extended value of compliance literally across your entire company. When overlaid with an ESG component, you can begin to see the gold in your compliance hills. In addition to showing how you can unlock the gold in your own compliance hills, Gio and Nick discussed demonstrating ROI for your internal budgeting process which can provide to you the financial resource to strengthen and improve your compliance program. Today, in Part 3, we look at the role of the Chief Compliance Officer (CCO) and corporate compliance function in ESG investments.
We began with the basic question of why a Chief Financial Officer (CFO), or corporate finance function look at ESG investment and how it will be different than a CCO or compliance function would do so. Gio noted that finance will most probably be “considering the outcome and it is something else for me to figure out.” Yet they may well also see it as a new opportunity and a “new conversation that we can be a part of. We may be able to get to that head of the pack because through some early investments which might be in programs or just how we talk about it.” The impact is that finance types might see more opportunities in this than the E&C professional, which you should be conscious of as you enter this conversation. Gio stated, “if we can make something out of this zeitgeist it might be seen as a unique opportunity.”
Conversely, he also noted “there’s no F in the ESG, right? This means the finance lens for this opportunity might be to get better financing for the company.” This might present a funding opportunity, either through a loan, additional capital or other funding mechanisms. It might also work to lower the cost of capital because investors might see your company is really an attractive company. That is what ESG might end up meaning from the finance perspective. The beauty of this is that the approach is equally valid to a compliance-focused approach and demonstrates there are multiple reasons for implementing an ESG program.
Nick emphasized the opportunity that ESG presents. Not simply for each commercial organization but for the compliance function as well. He stated, “irrespective of whether or not your organization is serious about it, you need to take advantage of the opportunity and the window of opportunity that we have right now, because compliance speaks to every single one of those pillars in the ESG acronym.”
From the compliance perspective, there are several reasons for this. It is top of mind for investors and in mind of the marketplace. He said, “Use what you have in place already to show your organization is committed to ESG. Moreover, you probably already have 80% of this stuff done. We already have a speak-up line. We already have a training for our business ethics and corporate culture.” The bottom line is “there are probably a bunch of ESG type things that you are doing.” You can build on all of them. It is a massive opportunity. Do some research on what is publicly available on ESG reports, “grab a handful of those and start looking at what some of your competitors or what other folks in the marketplace are putting into their report. I guarantee there’s a massive overlap with some of the data points that already exist in your organization.” As a compliance professional “it’s about shifting your mindset and using this opportunistically, to take advantage of the amorphousness that is ESG right now.” Nick even compared ESG in 2021 to where compliance was in the mid-1990s after the release of the US Federal Sentencing Guidelines and the creation of the modern compliance professional. It took some 15 to 20 years for corporations to understand that compliance was a business differentiator and business positive and not simply a legal response to a long-standing law, such as the Foreign Corrupt Practices Act (FCPA). In the age of social media, the speed of the change in ESG will be much quicker. Simply witness the change from the Trump Administration which actively fought corporate ESG initiatives to that under the Biden Administration which has fully embraced ESG from a regulatory perspective.
We concluded by considering many of the tasks that a CCO and compliance professional are already doing. Nick provided the following examples, “You can pull that out of your case management system and look at some of the following issues: How many discrimination and harassment claims did you have last year? How many did you have this year? What were the turnaround time on those? How many days did it take you to close those? What can you take credit for? That’s really what ESG is kind of about.” The same is true for your basic risk management strategies involving your third parties and other business ventures.
It is a function of getting an understanding of who your audience is. From the compliance perspective do not simply focus on an audience of one, the government. Look at in the way the Business Roundtable did with their Statement on the Purpose of an Organization. There are multiple stakeholders that you can engage with and work with to satisfy their ESG concerns.
Check out the full podcast series this blog post series is based upon.
Episode 1
Episode 2
Episode 3
 

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Gold in the Compliance Hills: Part 2, Extending Compliance Value Across an Organization


Welcome to a special five-part podcast series on how to unlock the gold in your program, hosted by Tom Fox with guests Gio and Nick Gallo from ComplianceLine. One of the ongoing issues in compliance is to demonstrate the Return on Investment (ROI) in your compliance program. One way to do so is by demonstrating the extended value of compliance literally across your entire company. When overlaid with an ESG component, you can begin to see the gold in your compliance hills. In addition to showing how you can unlock the gold in your own compliance hills, Gio and Nick walk you through how demonstrate ROI for your internal budgeting process which can provide to you the financial resource to strengthen and improve your compliance program.
Join us for the full 5 episodes and learn to see your compliance program in an entirely new light. In this Part 2, we consider how compliance can be seen as extending the value of compliance across your entire organization.
Some of the highlights of this episode include:

  • How might a finance professional view things differently from a compliance professional?
  • Just as CCOs plan for integrated risk across an organization, CFOs do the same for financial return.
  • How should a compliance professional look differently at their work, through a finance lens?
  • Why is rice on the chess board so apt?
  • What is the compliance professional missing about compound interest?

Resources
Gio Gallo on LinkedIn
Nick Gallo on LinkedIn
ComplianceLine

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