Tune in every quarter to learn how David Simon, a 53-year-old lawyer from the US, navigates the ancient world of Oxford University in pursuit of an MBA. David is a Partner at the white shoe law firm Foley and Lardner, who has dedicated his career to white collar compliance with a heavy international focus. “My practice touches a lot on some of the sanctions and international trade issues that typically come up on international matters,” he says. In A Yank in Oxford, David and host Tom Fox will talk about what inspired his decision to pursue an Executive MBA, and his hopes for where the journey may lead.
In this Episode 4, David discusses beginning his academic journey through his third quarter in the Oxford MBA program. Highlights include:
1. You are now about 9 months into your EMBA program. How is it going?
2. Working with your classmates. Are you finding interesting collaboration opportunities?
a. working with a classmate on a proposal to the State Department for an anti-corruption project in sub-Saharan Africa;
b. some nascent legal tech projects involving AI; and
c. required Entrepreneurship Project.
3. What substantive stuff what you been learning.
a. Global Rules of the Game.
b. Strategy Class.
c. Accounting.
d. Technology and Operations Management.
4. Fun stuff – matriculation
The Ceremony was in the Divinity School, one of the oldest university buildings. Very formal – Latin incantations and subfusc? As Oxford as it gets.
In today’s edition of Daily Compliance News:
- More comments on CCO certification. (WSJ)
- Guilty plea in Danske Bank money-laundering. (US News and World Reports)
- Swiss Prosecutor finds $60MM in Credit Suisse AML payment. (BNN Bloomberg)
- Activision investigates itself and finds senior management did nothing wrong. (WSJ)
Welcome to a special five-part blog post series on the New Traliant, sponsored by Traliant, LLC. Over this series, we have discussed what is new at the company and key issues that Traliant is helping to lead and define the online training industry in going forward. I have visited with John Arendes, Chief Executive Officer (CEO), on what is new at Traliant and what the Department of Justice (DOJ) has communicated to the compliance community regarding its expectations around online training and communications; Maggie Smith, Vice President of Human Resources, on the role of diversity, equity and inclusion (DEI) in your corporate environmental, social and governance (ESG) program; and Scott Schneider, Head of Content Development, on your Code of Conduct and anti-corruption training. In this concluding Part 5, I visit with Scott Schneider on the evolution anti-bribery/anti-corruption training.
Schneider identified three key components of a successful anti-bribery/anti-corruption training program. First is the management leadership perspective which is essentially about goals and incentives. This area would include such issues as the compensation structure, goal setting and promotion criteria. Second is the culture issue, which is moving from a “win at all cost culture” to a “we do the right thing culture.” Finally, is the training itself where you need to provide employees both the information and guidance, they need to forestall any bribery and corruption. Schneider emphasized that for training to be effective, “those first two movers; management and culture are very powerful. If you have all three movers pushing the same direction, training can be very impactful because it gives people information and guidance that they can use.” However, Schneider cautioned, “If you’ve got the first two pulling against, then training will typically not be effective and indeed could move the category of background noise.”
We turned to the issue of ‘effective’ training as laid out in the 2019 and 2020 Update to the Evaluation of Corporate Compliance Programs. Schneider believes the issue of effectiveness largely turns on the context of a corporate compliance program and corporate culture. He believes “training should shift the perspective, the point of view to the learner. It is not simply not giving cash but items readily transferable into cash, such as gift cards.” Another example he provided was what to do when your product is stuck on a dock? “Is it okay to slip someone 20 bucks? Or who do I talk to in our organization? You have to candidly have a conversation and say we know these are hard issues. We want to help you make the right decision. We want to make sure that we’re supporting the decisions that you’re making.”
We next turned to targeted training. Here the key is risk management. Schneider said, “You have to know your organization and how it does business, then spend some time, effort and resources figuring out where the weak points are.” From there you can assess your risk and train those who are at higher risk and those who are gatekeepers. One example might be “an Accounts Payable (AP) clerk working in SAP. They might be able to see if due diligence was done and approved on a third-party agent or that a contract authorizing payment is in place if it is attached in the SAP module. That could be one control you would have as a backstop, but you would need to train the AP clerk on what to look for in their duties.”
This ties back into your overall risk management framework. During your risk assessment(s) you can see which employees, geographic areas or business operations might be at high risk. From there you can provide the basic anti-corruption training and then move to more targeted training, which can also have another set of characteristics as advocated by the DOJ in the 2020 Update to the Evaluation of Corporate Compliance Programs. Once again Schneider believes everyone should get the basics to “level the playing field.” From there you can move to shorter training and communication pieces, which can be sent via email. This is the lesson from the 2013 Morgan Stanley declination, that short effective training and communications sent by email will be viewed favorably by the DOJ.
But Schneider said that other types of training and communications can be used. He pointed to the example of the “lunch n’ learn.” It could be something like your middle managers taking 10 minutes to talk about the importance of anti-corruption to their direct reports. Schneider noted that all employees who attend such meetings come with a basic understanding of the issues but that “helping people get the bigger picture and then reminding people of that picture is important.” He ended by noting, however, that it all ties back to those three concepts he started with aligning incentives with culture and then reinforcing through training.
Matt Kelly once challenged me to write a blog post for Bloomsday. Well aware of my great love for Joyce’s magnum opus, I accepted the challenge. This year is the 100th anniversary of the publication of the book. To celebrate this event, James Joyce’s novel at 100 and the compliance profession, I have decided to do a 5-part podcast series on Ulysses. Over this podcast series, I will highlight some of the books and commentary and tie what Joyce, Dublin, Leopold Bloom and his wife Molly, together with his mentor Stephen Daedalus, can teach the modern compliance professional. I hope you will join me in the short celebration and trip through Dublin 1904 for the 100th anniversary of Bloomsday. In this Part 4 of this 5-part podcast series, we consider the chapter involving Molly Bloom and use her story to explore the 21st-century compliance professional.
Compliance Quote-Mary Shirley “I love working in that area because sometimes there’s no clear answer or even good answer. That keeps you on your toes and requires a skill set different from what is required to be a successful lawyer.”
Resources
The Teaching Compliance-James Joyce Ulysses, by James Heffernan
The Politicians Who Love Ulysses by Kevin Dettmar
“Ulysses” and the Moral Right to Pleasure by Dan Chiasson in the New Yorker
Welcome to a special five-part podcast series on compliance insights, sponsored by Traliant. Over this series, we will discuss key issues that Traliant is helping to lead and define the online training industry going forward. Over this five-part series, I will visit with John Arendes, Chief Executive Officer (CEO) at the company, on what is new at New Traliant and what the Department of Justice (DOJ) has communicated to the compliance community regarding its expectations around online training and communications; Maggie Smith, Vice President of Human Resources at Traliant on the role of DEI in your corporate ESG program; and Scott Schneider, Head of Content Development at Traliant on your Code of Conduct and anti-corruption training. In this Episode 4, I visit with Scott Schneider, VP of Innovation at Traliant, on the evolution and importance of the corporate Code of Conduct. Highlights include:
- Culture is the key driver, and your Code of Conduct is the foundation for a broader discussion of what regulators look for in a compliance program.
- How has the Code of Conduct evolved?
- Your Code of Conduct should be more than simply aspirational, and your Code of Conduct training helps drive home values, ethics & culture.

Duncan Jepson is Managing Director of Liberty Shared. Starting as a documentary filmmaker, he saw the stark contrast between the ones being filmed and the excited executives. He joins host Gwen Hassan to discuss how Liberty Shared is helping organizations take action against human rights violations.
Liberty Shared’s main focus is data gathering and research and intelligence sharing – gathering information about what happens on the ground then communicating that to individuals, groups, and organizations that can do something in response. “We’re not interested in statistics [or] estimations,” Duncan shares, “we’re interested in data as it is accurate and can produce actionable information and evidence.”
The system is flawed and incomplete, he adds. The global economy is profit-oriented, so much so that it operates at the expense of other people, and the chance of anyone being held accountable for their part in it is very limited. Liberty Shared is working to identify those gaps of accountability and close them as much as possible.
Resources
Duncan Jepson on LinkedIn
Clearview AI Fine by the ICO
Jonathan Armstrong and Tom Fox return for another episode of Life with GDPR. In this episode, we take up a fine in the UK by the ICO against Clearview AI. We have discussed other EU countries’ fines against Clearview previously. Some of the highlights include:
- What is this case all about?
- What did the ICO decide?
- Why is AI under the spotlight again?
- Other actions and penalties against Clearview?
- Key takeaways.
Resources
For more information on the Clearview AI fine by the ICO, check out the Cordery Compliance client alert on this topic; click here. For more information on Cordery Compliance, go to their website here. Also, check out the GDPR Navigator, one of the top resources for GDPR Compliance, by clicking here.
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Welcome to a special five-part blog post series on the New Traliant, sponsored by Traliant, LLC. Over this series, we will discuss key issues that Traliant is helping to lead and define the online training industry in going forward. I will visit with John Arendes, Chief Executive Officer (CEO), on what is new at Traliant and what the Department of Justice (DOJ) has communicated to the compliance community regarding its expectations around online training and communications; Maggie Smith, Vice President of Human Resources, on the role of diversity, equity and inclusion (DEI) in your corporate environmental, social and governance (ESG) program; and Scott Schneider, Head of Content Development, on your Code of Conduct and anti-corruption training. In Episode 4, I visit with Scott Schneider on the evolution and importance of the corporate Code of Conduct.
The corporate Code of Conduct has evolved as much as any part of a best practices compliance program. Early codes were often sold as statements about who we are and, as resources, that employees could use to make better decisions. Unfortunately, they tended to be written by lawyers, for lawyers with both formalistic and legalistic language. This created, as Schneider noted, “a clear disconnect that didn’t help employees a lot.” However, as Codes have evolved, he believes “companies have done a much better job and they began to phrase codes of conduct in terms of values and what a company stands for.” This has, in Schneider’s words “restored that connection between the code and the company.” Codes of Conduct also began to include features, language and content that was geared towards employees. This allowed employees who were trying to do the right thing, to use the Code “to figure out what decision should be made either because it provided guidance or because it at least put that guidance in the context of values that you could apply to your situation in making a decision.”
Once the language issue was overcome, the next step was around Code implementation for the devil is in the details. When a code said things like “our company does not discriminate”, it was, as Schneider expressed, “putting a stake in the ground.” If you understand the values in the Code that are motivating, an employee can look at a situation and say, at the very least, I need some help on this. A Code then begins to become something employees can begin to apply because the situation before a particular employee may not be exactly covered in the code. Additionally, companies began to develop resources around their Codes such as FAQs which presented information in a question-answer format in a manner that an employee could obtain an answer.
We next considered Code of Conduct training. Here, Schneider believes companies have room for improvement as the development of the Code itself, “took an arc towards something that is more meaningful, more relatable, more helpful. I do not think code training is quite there yet.” Oftentimes Code training is too formalistic. Many companies have “coalesced around this idea that the training should be modular so that you can train on various topics within your Code.” This includes one training module on what the Code says and then several others which are essentially summaries of law. “We’re kind of stuck that way. I think it leaves employees in the same place they were before with the bad codes, what you remembered as an employee was that I have to sign something that says I read it, even though I did not.” Schneider believes that too often, “employees take Code training because they have to,” and then say, “that’s done”. This loses the connection between the training and the company and the training and the employee. “So, there’s room for improvement for sure.”
One of these responses has been more focused, engaged training for the Code. There is an obvious tension for shorter and more in-depth training and sometimes it is difficult to make that trade off. The key is to understand what is important, what is the core message that you are trying to communicate? The details are often important in providing context and guidance. Schneider concluded, “I think that the key to having shorter training is to understand what’s important and what you want the takeaway to be. Moreover with longer modules, it means you cover fewer topics and the more likely the learner will tune out.”
Start with what is important, what is the takeaway, and then fill in the things that will bring that to life. It does not mean that you must cover every legal detail. Always try to remember who you are training. For the most part, “we are not training lawyers, we are not training judges, we are training employees. You want to help them understand the context of the issue, what they can do, with a focus on what they can do. With the idea that if they get out in the real world, they’ll be able to at least spot the danger and ask for questions.”
Join us for our next episode where we look at the evolution of anti-bribery/anti-corruption training.
Check out Scott Schneider podcast on the evolution of the Code of Conduct and Code training here.