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2 Gurus Talk Compliance – Episode 70 – The Ethics Edition

What happens when two top compliance commentators get together? They talk compliance, of course. Join Tom Fox and Kristy Grant-Hart in 2 Gurus Talk Compliance as they discuss the latest compliance issues in this week’s episode!

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Compliance into the Weeds: Boeing’s New Safety Initiatives and Compliance Reforms

The award-winning Compliance into the Weeds is the only weekly podcast that takes a deep dive into a compliance-related topic, literally going into the weeds to explore a subject more fully. Are you seeking insightful perspectives on compliance? Look no further than Compliance into the Weeds! In this episode of Compliance into the Weeds, Tom Fox and Matt Kelly discuss Boeing’s recent safety initiatives and reforms, as outlined in their annual aerospace safety report.

They explore Boeing’s efforts to improve its speak-up culture, internal reporting systems, and the introduction of an expansive Safety Champions Program. The episode explores the procedural changes Boeing has implemented, including the handling of third-party reports and increased transparency for employees. Additionally, they examine the challenges and necessities of manager training in fostering an ethical corporate culture. The conversation concludes with insights on the recent Federal District Court hearing regarding Boeing’s non-prosecution agreement and the implications for transparency and accountability.

Key highlights:

  • Speak Up Culture Enhancements
  • Ambassador Program Expansion
  • Manager Training and Corporate Culture
  • Court Hearing on Boeing’s Non-Prosecution Agreement

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The Boeing 737 Max Imbroglio: Part 2 – A Path Forward with a Special Master

In recent weeks, the spotlight has again intensified on The Boeing Company, following a provocative motion filed by families of victims from the tragic 737 Max crashes. They have petitioned a Texas federal judge to appoint a special prosecutor in Boeing’s criminal conspiracy case, arguing fervently against the Department of Justice’s recent Non-Prosecution Agreement (NPA) with Boeing. At stake is not merely corporate accountability but, fundamentally, the integrity of our justice system itself. If all a company is required to do under the Department of Justice (DOJ) is throw money at a series of problems, there will never be true reform.

Yesterday, I began a two-part look at the current set of issues raised in the DOJ capitulation to Boeing, its ignoring of the families of the crash victims, and its complete lack of holding Boeing accountable beyond financial penalties. Today, I want to conclude this short series by proposing a path forward that helps to ameliorate the rights of the parties as well as all the other stakeholders involved in this Boeing imbroglio.

For reasons that are not articulated, the DOJ has dropped its requirement for an Independent Corporate Monitor to oversee the overhaul of culture at Boeing, instead allowing a Boeing-hired compliance consultant to be part of the process. This is wholly insufficient as it requires zero transparency for any of the key parties to the litigation: the families of the victims of the 737 MAX crashes, the Court, and even the DOJ itself. Indeed, the DOJ did not even consult with the families of the victims, as it was reported that the DOJ gave them one day’s notice that it was going to provide Boeing with a Non-Prosecution Agreement (NPA) with no Independent Compliance Monitor.

The significance of an Independent Compliance Monitor tasked with overseeing Boeing’s adherence to compliance and safety protocols over the next three years cannot be overstated. The role of an Independent Compliance Monitor in this case should be expansive. Beyond traditional compliance responsibilities, such as policies, procedures, internal controls, and training, the Independent Compliance Monitor should also address anti-fraud measures, safety, and quality assurance/control (QA/QC) issues. This broader remit is essential, given the systemic failures at Boeing that contributed to the 737 MAX disasters. (Looming, of course, is the 787 Dreamliner crash in India.)

The DOJ previously found disturbing lapses in Boeing’s safety and quality records.  It is unclear whether the DOJ has revised these findings in light of its proposed NPA. Boeing employees reported feeling pressured to prioritize productivity and financial performance over safety and quality, a cultural flaw that contributed to the compliance breaches. This pressure led to out-of-sequence work, poor record-keeping, and inadequate safety audits, all of which are indicative of a deeper systemic problem.

Addressing these issues requires a comprehensive culture-focused approach. An Independent Compliance Monitor must not only enforce existing standards but also foster a culture of integrity and transparency within Boeing. This involves ensuring that employees can report concerns without fear of retaliation and that safety protocols are rigorously followed and documented.

The families of the crash victims are not mere bystanders in this process. They have voiced strong objections to this NPA, particularly its leniency and the lack of accountability for senior executives, as well as for any future actions by Boeing. They argue that the NPA exonerates those responsible for the safety lapses. This concern resonates with many compliance professionals who advocate for robust accountability at all levels of an organization.

In light of the unique facts and procedural history of this matter, judicial oversight will be crucial in ensuring that an Independent Compliance Monitor leads to genuine remediation. Transparency is a cornerstone of effective compliance and accountability, and its absence could undermine the entire process.

This is where the District Court should step in and appoint a Special Master to act as an Independent Compliance Monitor. Under the Federal Rules of Procedure, a District Court can appoint a Special Master to monitor compliance with court orders or settlement agreements. This can be especially useful in cases where the parties have a history of noncompliance or need ongoing oversight. The appointment of a Special Master is a powerful option for this specific fact pattern.

For Boeing to restore its reputation and regain public trust, it must go beyond the minimum requirements of the NPA. This involves a commitment to comprehensive remediation, encompassing cultural change, structural reforms, and rigorous enforcement of safety and compliance standards. All done with transparency.

A Special Master’s remit would be a step in the right direction, but it must be accompanied by genuine transparency and accountability. This includes involving the victims’ families in meaningful ways, such as through regular updates and consultations, and ensuring that their concerns are addressed substantively. In other words, transparency.

The Boeing case serves as a stark reminder of the critical importance of compliance, transparency, and accountability in the corporate world. It highlights the devastating consequences of systemic failures and the urgent need for robust oversight mechanisms. As compliance professionals, we must advocate for comprehensive and transparent processes that ensure not only compliance with legal standards but also the fostering of a culture of integrity and responsibility.

Ultimately, true remediation and accountability are in the best interests of all stakeholders, from the victims’ families seeking justice to the company itself, which strives to rebuild its reputation and restore public trust.  The DOJ has completely abrogated its role in this moving forward. However, the District Court can facilitate this process by appointing a Special Master who can act as an Independent Compliance Monitor.

The path forward is clear: there must be a firm commitment to rigorous compliance, transparent practices, and a culture that prioritizes safety and integrity above all else. However, this must be accompanied by independent oversight. If the DOJ does not wish to assume this role, the District Court should consider appointing a Special Master. Only then can it hope to move beyond the shadows of the 737 MAX scandal and emerge as a leader in the aviation industry once again.

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The Boeing 737 Max Imbroglio: Part 1 – The DOJ Ditches Transparency

In recent weeks, the spotlight has again intensified on The Boeing Company, following a provocative motion filed by families of victims from the tragic 737 Max crashes. They have petitioned a Texas federal judge to appoint a special prosecutor in Boeing’s criminal conspiracy case, arguing fervently against the Department of Justice’s recent Non-Prosecution Agreement (NPA) with Boeing. At stake is not merely corporate accountability but, fundamentally, the integrity of our justice system itself. Today, I begin a two-part look at the current set of issues raised in the DOJ capitulation to Boeing, its ignoring of the families of the crash victims, and its complete lack of holding Boeing accountable beyond financial penalties.

The victims’ families and the general flying public represent crucial stakeholders who deserve answers, accountability, and assurances of safety. Disturbingly, the DOJ’s actions appear dismissive of these stakeholders. This lack of consideration significantly undermines public confidence in Boeing and the effectiveness of regulatory enforcement.

The victims’ families seek accountability, including criminal charges for executives, strict compliance oversight, and transparency to prevent future disasters.  Instead, they have received a diminished settlement and an opaque independent consultant, leaving them rightly skeptical and outraged, all of which occurred without any meaningful consultation with the DOJ. At its core, the families argue, the DOJ’s latest move sets a hazardous precedent, allowing corporations essentially to circumvent accountability through financial settlements and carefully crafted agreements.

The current controversy revolves around the DOJ’s decision to dismiss a conspiracy charge under the conditions outlined in the $1.1 billion NPA. This agreement, critics assert, permits Boeing to effectively “buy its way out of a criminal conviction,” marking a disturbing shift in how corporate criminal cases might be handled going forward.

The families’ legal representatives have raised compelling arguments about why the NPA represents a perilous deviation from standard judicial procedures. Specifically, their motion asserts that the NPA dangerously erodes the separation of powers by attempting to bypass the judicial review requirement mandated by the Federal Rule of Criminal Procedure 48(a). Such maneuvering, the families contend, could become a worrying precedent that effectively creates a new branch of governmental power, immune to the checks and balances essential to American governance.

Moreover, this case highlights critical issues surrounding the Crime Victims’ Rights Act (CVRA), legislation designed to ensure victims and their families are treated fairly throughout judicial proceedings. The families argue passionately that the NPA, in its current form, diminishes their statutory rights and sidesteps meaningful accountability, thus undermining the broader principles of justice.

Equally concerning is Boeing’s historical engagement with DOJ agreements. Initially, under a Deferred Prosecution Agreement (DPA) brokered in 2021, Boeing pledged reforms and accepted specific responsibilities. However, a disturbing mid-air incident involving a Boeing 737 Max 9 jet in January 2024 revealed serious safety oversights and compliance deficiencies, prompting the DOJ to reexamine Boeing’s commitments. Boeing’s readiness to plead guilty evaporated swiftly when the political landscape appeared favorable, a clear indication, families argue, that the aerospace giant’s commitments were strategic rather than genuine.

This raises fundamental questions about corporate culture, accountability, and oversight. Compliance professionals everywhere must consider: What mechanisms truly ensure meaningful corporate reform? Can performative contrition substitute for authentic, monitored change?

Under the revised NPA, Boeing has agreed to pay significant fines and allocate funds to victim compensation and program enhancements for compliance. Yet notably absent from this agreement is any oversight mechanism akin to the independent compliance monitor stipulated in previous arrangements. Instead, Boeing must merely retain an independent compliance consultant, a far softer requirement and one that has rightly alarmed observers concerned with genuine reform.

From a compliance standpoint, the removal of the independent monitor provision is a clear red flag. Monitors are essential to verifying that changes implemented within a corporation are genuine, sustained, and effective. By settling for a consultant rather than an empowered, independent monitor, the DOJ is creating an environment that is ripe for surface-level reforms that fail to address deeply rooted, systemic issues.

This scenario underscores a crucial lesson for corporate compliance professionals: genuine compliance reforms cannot rely solely on internal assurances or perfunctory oversight. Rigorous external verification mechanisms are essential to ensuring that compliance efforts are meaningful, impactful, and sustained over the long term. The bottom line is that transparency is the key, and this DOJ has completely deleted any Boeing requirement for transparency in its remediation process.

Furthermore, this case illustrates the importance of judicial independence and the robust application of oversight principles. Without vigilant oversight, corporations could increasingly perceive settlements as mere financial calculations rather than genuine opportunities to recalibrate organizational ethics and compliance cultures. Compliance professionals must advocate for and implement frameworks that prioritize meaningful oversight and genuine reform.

As compliance leaders, we must recognize the far-reaching implications of the Boeing case. This case serves as a stark reminder that true corporate reform cannot be bought—it must be earned through demonstrable, monitored change. Regulators and justice departments globally must hold corporations accountable not just financially but also operationally and culturally.

The demand by the victims’ families for a special prosecutor highlights a crucial juncture. Will we endorse a system where accountability is negotiable and oversight diluted? Or will we reaffirm the essential tenets of justice, ensuring robust judicial review, stringent oversight of compliance, and genuine corporate reform?

Boeing’s future actions, closely scrutinized, will reflect its genuine commitment to change. Compliance professionals, corporate leaders, and regulators alike must take heed—reform without rigorous oversight is merely an empty promise. The integrity of corporate compliance demands far more.

Ultimately, the Boeing case offers a powerful lesson: the pursuit of meaningful corporate compliance and ethical integrity requires more than financial penalties; it demands transparency, accountability, and true oversight. For corporations, anything less risks not only reputational harm but also the profound erosion of public trust, which is essential to long-term sustainability.

Tomorrow, we will explore a court-imposed solution to this imbroglio.

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Compliance Into the Weeds

Compliance into the Weeds: Boeing, a NPA and the End of Monitors

The award-winning Compliance into the Weeds is the only weekly podcast that takes a deep dive into a compliance-related topic, literally going into the weeds to explore a subject more fully and seeking insightful perspectives on compliance. Look no further than Compliance into the Weeds! In this episode of Compliance into the Weeds, Tom Fox and Matt Kelly take a deep dive into the Department of Justice’s recent proposal to grant Boeing a non-prosecution agreement.

This decision stems from the 737 MAX crashes in the late 2010s that killed 346 people. They cover the history of Boeing’s settlements, the details and leniency of the new agreement, the role and scope of the independent compliance consultant, and the implications for corporate compliance and the victims’ families. The discussion highlights the potential end of compliance monitors and the broader impacts on corporate accountability.

Key highlights:

  • DOJ’s Non-Prosecution Agreement with Boeing
  • Changes in the Settlement Agreement
  • Role and Scope of the Independent Compliance Consultant
  • Implications for Compliance Monitorships
  • Boeing’s Whistleblower Program and Compliance Efforts
  • Judicial and Victims’ Family Reactions

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Daily Compliance News: May 27, 2025, The Boeing Off the Hook Edition

Welcome to the Daily Compliance News. Each day, Tom Fox, the Voice of Compliance, brings you compliance-related stories to start your day. Sit back, enjoy a cup of morning coffee, and listen in to the Daily Compliance News—all from the Compliance Podcast Network. Each day, we consider four stories from the business world: compliance, ethics, risk management, leadership, or general interest for the compliance professional.

Top stories include:

  • If bribery is in the open, is it corruption? (The Independent)
  • DOJ gives Boeing an NPA. (WSJ)
  • New Scope 3 emissions framework. (Reuters)
  • 4 former VW managers were found guilty in an emissions scandal trial.  (NYT)
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One Month to More Effective Internal Controls – Code of Conduct as an Internal Control

In 2016, the SEC announced one of the most interesting non-international-focused FCPA enforcement actions. It involved a clear quid pro quo benefit paid out by United Airlines, Inc. to David Samson, the former chairman of the Board of Directors of the Port Authority of New York and New Jersey. This public government entity has authority over, among other things, United’s operations at the company’s huge east coast hub in Newark, New Jersey.

At the time, United’s Code of Conduct prohibited “United employees from directly or indirectly making bribes, kickbacks or other improper payments to government officials, civil servants or anyone else to influence their acts or decisions” and that “[n]o gift may be offered or accepted if it will create a feeling of obligation, compromise judgment or appear to influence the recipient improperly.” Only the United Board of Directors could grant a waiver to the code, and none was sought or obtained by Smisek. The Order concluded, “The [Chairman’s] Route was initiated in violation of United’s policies.”

The company was also sanctioned for not having internal controls to prevent such actions as those taken by Smisek. The SEC also found this was a violation of Section 13. This was in the face of detailing the protocol for the United instituting or reinstituting a route. The Order stated, “United had insufficient internal accounting controls to prevent approval of the South Carolina Route in derogation of United’s Policies.” All the underlying facts, enforcement theories, and remediation point towards the failure of internal controls when domestic bribery corruption occurs.

 Three key takeaways:

1. It is very unusual for the FCPA to form the basis of a domestic bribery violation.

2. A Code of Conduct can be an internal control.

3. Even a CEO must follow internal controls.

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Scott Garland and Zach Hafer – Practice After the DOJ

Welcome to the award-winning FCPA Compliance Report, the most senior podcast in compliance. I have double trouble in this episode as I welcome Scott Garland and Zach Hafer. They worked together for many years at the US Attorney’s Office for the District of Massachusetts. Both are now in private practice, Garland as a Managing Director at Affiliated Monitors, Inc. and Hafer as a Partner at Cooley LLP in Boston.

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In this podcast, we consider DOJ corporate enforcement through the mechanisms of DPAs and NPAs based upon Hafer’s tenure as the Criminal Chief. They discussed the need to balance approving prosecutions for general impact vs. based on the case’s merits. We also consider how, if at all, the Monaco Memo changes DOJ focus. Garland leads us through a discussion of compliance issues within a prosecutor’s office, why your compliance philosophy is so critical, and some of the biggest issues and situations they both confronted while in the US Attorney’s Office for the District of Massachusetts. We conclude this section with a discussion of receiving compliance advice: what worked and what did not.

We conclude with a discussion of transitioning from DOJ to private practice, and both Zach and Scott summarize some of the key questions they are getting from clients. Garland opines on key issues he sees for monitors after Monaco Memo, and we conclude with why proactive monitoring can be such a powerful tool.

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Scott Garland at Affiliated Monitors

Zach Hafer at  Cooley LLP

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Monaco Speech: Part 4 – Some Questions

Deputy Attorney General (DAG) Lisa O. Monaco gave a Keynote Address at ABA’s 36th National Institute on White Collar Crime last week (Monaco Speech). Her remarks were noted by many commentators, including on two Compliance Into the Weeds podcasts where Matt Kelly and myself took two deep dives into her speech our podcast. Her remarks reframed a discussion about this Department of Justice’s (DOJ) priorities on white collar criminal enforcement, including under the Foreign Corrupt Practices (FCPA). Her remarks should be studied by every compliance professional as they portend a very large change in the way the DOJ and potentially other agencies enforce the FCPA. This has significant implications for every Chief Compliance Officer (CCO), compliance professional and corporate compliance programs.
Today, I am going to take up some questions that came up for me based upon her remarks. As compliance practitioners know, the first DAG in the Trump Administration announced a major change in FCPA enforcement in November 2017. It was called it the FCPA Corporate Enforcement Policy and it was incorporated into the United States Attorneys’ Manual. Although it was incorporated into the Manual, it was essentially a rejection of the Yates Memo and incorporating the FCPA Pilot Program from 2016 into a more formal structure.
The FCPA Corporate Enforcement Policy set a presumption of a declination for a company that met four requirements. One, voluntary self-disclosure, including disclosure of all relevant facts known to it at the time of the disclosure, including as to any individuals substantially involved in or responsible for the misconduct at issue. Two, timely and appropriate remediation. Third, full cooperation with the DOJ in the investigation. Fourth, no aggravating circumstances which could include “involvement by executive management of the company in the misconduct; a significant profit to the company from the misconduct; pervasiveness of the misconduct within the company; and criminal recidivism.”
My first series of questions relate to the Rosenstein policy. What is now required for a ‘presumption of a declination”? Will a company have to self-disclose not simply those individuals substantially involved or all employees, no matter how high or low in the employee chain? Must those disclosures be at the time of self-disclosure or as facts are developed in an investigation? Recall the Yates Memo mandated that if a company wanted any credit it had to disclose all employees involved in the misconduct. [So much so that the word ‘any’ was in bold, italics and underscored.] Will the DOJ revert back to that standard?
What of Deferred and Non-Deferred Prosecution Agreements (DPAs and NPAs)? Has the DOJ heard the criticism of these settlement mechanisms over the years? Matt Kelly and I catalogued them in the second Compliance into the Weeds podcast on Monaco’s speech. Or has the DOJ decided that there is some type of material defect in these tools which makes any settlement with a DPA or NPA simply ‘a cost of doing business’? Monaco raised these issues in the context of FCPA recidivist or those companies which have a broader history of corporate recalcitrant in complying with laws in general; i.e., tax, environmental, employment and every other law a corporation must deal with both in the US and internationally. Even though her remarks were directed to recidivists and other bad corporate actors, it would not be too far a stretch to see if the DOJ reconsidered such penalties for all those companies which find themselves in a FCPA imbroglio.
What might some changes look like? A couple of recent examples come from areas outside the FCPA context. Last week, the Federal Trade Commission (FTC) issued a new directive that any company which has one anti-competition violation under its belt will have to return to the FTC for pre-approval of any acquisition. That can be quite a business slow down if you are in a dynamic industry or profession. The other example comes from the world of US banking where the Federal Reserve put a growth cap on Wells Fargo for its behaviors. Once again something like that can be a very large business inhibitor.
The DOJ return to more robust monitorships could be another mechanism. While the monitors now usually concern themselves with the terms of the settlement agreement and whether the company under the settlement agreement is fulfilling its terms; the monitor could take a more active role in an organization, such as review any high-risk transaction or transaction but a certain dollar value. Such an intrusive monitorship would greatly slow down business in any organization. Yet FCPA recidivists do not seem to have gotten the message not to violate the FCPA. Indeed, even some under DPAs and NPAs are not fulfilling their agreed upon obligations. All of these factors could lead to some very different forms of settlement resolutions.
What about Monaco’s remarks around evaluation of all corporate conduct, not simply anti-bribery compliance? Her remarks bear citing in full on this point:
Going forward, prosecutors can and should consider the full range of prior misconduct, not just a narrower subset of similar misconduct — for instance, only the past FCPA investigations in an FCPA case, or only the tax offenses in a Tax Division matter. A prosecutor in the FCPA unit needs to take a department-wide view of misconduct: Has this company run afoul of the Tax Division, the Environment and Natural Resources Division, the money laundering sections, the U.S. Attorney’s Offices, and so on? He or she also needs to weigh what has happened outside the department — whether this company was prosecuted by another country or state, or whether this company has a history of running afoul of regulators. Some prior instances of misconduct may ultimately prove to have less significance, but prosecutors need to start by assuming all prior misconduct is potentially relevant. 
Most compliance professionals work very diligently to create a culture around anti-corruption compliance. However now there must be compliance with a much broader set of laws; both in the US and internationally. How many compliance officers even know about these other areas? Further, if there is one resource in the organization who does keep track of such matters, it is usually in the legal department, who are loathe to share that information, even within an organization. How will a compliance professional be aware and then work to ensure compliance in these other areas?
As I said in the introduction, there are lots of open questions. Tomorrow I will sum up what it all may well mean for the compliance professional.

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Compliance Into the Weeds

More on DAG Monaco Speech-DPAs and NPAs

Compliance into the Weeds is the only weekly podcast which takes a deep dive into a compliance related topic, literally going into the weeds to more fully explore a subject. Today, Matt and Tom continue their look at the recent speech by DAG Lisa Monaco to the ABA White Collar Institute on some very significant change to white collar, including FCPA enforcement. Today we consider potential changes to DPAs and NPAs and other settlement mechanisms.

Some of the issues we consider are:
·      Are DPAs and NPAs simply the cost of doing business?
·      Is the Wells Fargo growth cap a valid model?
·      What about greater DOJ or Monitor oversight?
·      Longer terms for DPAs?
·      New enforcement tools coming?
·      New review of DPAs and NPAs.
Resources
Matt in Radical Compliance
So What Happens Next with DPAs
Tom in the FCPA Compliance and Ethics Blog
Monaco Speech – Individual Accountability
Monaco Speech – Monitors
Text of DAG Monaco Speech