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Welcome to the final entry in our special five-part blog post series on how to unlock the gold in your program. I have visited with Gio Gallo and Nick Gallo, Co-CEO’s of ComplianceLine, LLC, the series sponsor. In this concluding Part 5, we consider investment strategies for the compliance professional.
We began with the basic concept in investing that the greater the risk, properly managed, the greater the potential return. From there, we turned to how would an investor type, whether it be a Private Equity (PE), Venture Capitalist (VC) or others, think through managing risk. What sort of models would they use? How could those models assist compliance professionals to manage risk? With proper risk management, this can create a huge return on your compliance investment.
Nick explained this is the relationship between risk and return and not the just existence of whether there is a risk at all. He stated, “The amount of risk that someone is willing to take on is generally tied to the return that they expect or the return that they think is possible.” For the compliance professionals this is “trying to give some new colors to paint with new words”. It allows you to speak finance language a little bit more. Finally, for someone with a legal training (like myself) he added, “even if you don’t actually understand all these concepts, at least appear to understand them, high enough level to be talking across the table.” It really boils down to a question of risk and return.
We considered the two big categories of investments in the alternative space (i.e., non-public and non-banking). The first is private equity investing and second is venture capital investing. A typical private equity investor is going to try to make a bunch of bets. They are going to try to have a positive return on virtually all of those bets, the standard deviation, the volatility or the range of outcomes are going to be particular and are going to be relatively more dialed in around what the upside is. This allows them to protect their downside by buying good businesses that are probably proven to some level. While there obviously is downside, hopefully there will be protection. Another way to look at is they are going to be running a bunch of different plays on those investments or on that portfolio so there is relatively a high confidence interval on a dialed in investment outcome with the possibility for some big pops.
On the other side of the fence, is venture capital investing, which tends to have a much wider standard deviation of return. Here investors take on companies at an earlier stage. Gio said, “Maybe they are not proven yet. Maybe they are not cashflow positive. Maybe they have not even found their legs or their market.” Here maybe one out of 10 investments pan out, although of course, if you hit big it can be a home run or even a grand slam.
Both of these examples are important because they demonstrate the lens through which a finance professional will look at a potential compliance program investment. There is actually a wide range of how a finance person is going to think about risk. It is not simply “is there a risk or not? Because the answer is there’s always risk.” Even if you can find the safest investment there is always some risk present.
The final concept to overlay on top of this is beta, which Nick explained “is essentially the extent to which a particular investment moves with the broader market. You can use this as a concept to talk about an investment in your ethics and compliance space, or we can boil it down to talk about the stability of an investment relative to the market. And some things will have a positive beta or a negative beta or a high beta or a low beta or whatever, but the market goes up 5% and your investment goes up 5% with it. The market goes down 5% and it goes down 5% with it has a beta of one. If the market goes up 5% and your investment goes up 10% and it goes down 5% and then the investment goes down 10%, it is more volatile and it’s swinging more violently with market moves and has a beta of, in this case, two.”
This allows a compliance profession to think about broad compliance investments in a similar framework. Your compliance investment may have “a beta of zero. This could generate positive returns for your bottom line, irrespective of what our business does. Whether our business is going up or it’s going down, these investments that we, as an ethics compliance department, want to make are going to reinforce our culture and you are going to drop dollars to our bottom line, irrespective of what’s happening with the top line.”
You can take that same concept further by positing a negative beta or a zero-beta investment. It is important to remember that when you speak to a finance professional you are “not just a risk person, you are speaking to a risk and return person.” This means they will understand that a compliance investment will perform particularly well in a down market. Nick concluded, “if you are making ethics and compliance investments or taking steps within your program or getting budget released to actualize your program, that actually releases the magic in the workforce by driving higher employee engagement and lowering turnover.” These are two areas that directly impact the bottom line regardless of what might be happening at the top line of the organization, “regardless of what headwinds the organization might be approaching or hitting.”
These concepts were all obviously new to me, but the Brothers Gallo are really on to something here. By using these approaches to talk to finance professional in their terms and approaching your budget from the finance perspective, you have a real opportunity to garner budget dollars to invest in your compliance program. By using the strategies of compounding and extending out the value of compliance throughout the organization, you can then demonstrate the return on that investment.
Check out the full podcast series this blog post series is based upon.
Episode 1
Episode 2
Episode 3
Episode 4
Episode 5
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Welcome to a special five-part podcast series on how to unlock the gold in your program, hosted by Tom Fox with guests Gio and Nick Gallo from ComplianceLine. One of the ongoing issues in compliance is to demonstrate the Return on Investment (ROI) in your compliance program. One way to do so is by demonstrating the extended value of compliance literally across your entire company. When overlaid with an ESG component, you can begin to see the gold in your compliance hills. In addition to showing how you can unlock the gold in your own compliance hills, Gio and Nick walk you through how demonstrate ROI for your internal budgeting process which can provide to you the financial resource to strengthen and improve your compliance program.
Join us for the full 5 episodes and learn to see your compliance program in an entirely new light. In this Part 4, we consider finance and investment models for the corporate compliance function.
Some of the highlights of this episode include:
- How does the Black Swan model of risk relate to the corporate compliance function?
- When is a possible event simply a risk and when is it a Black Swan event?
- Why is business continuity so critical?
- What are Private Equity and Venture Capital models of funding and how to they relate to the corporate compliance function?
- How to think about the payout of an investment in compliance.
Resources
Gio Gallo on LinkedIn
Nick Gallo on LinkedIn
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Mollie Sitkowski is Trade Compliance Counsel at Faegre Drinker, where she handles import and export control and compliance work on behalf of the firm’s clients. She has assisted numerous clients in developing and implementing import and export compliance programs, and offers continued training to the business areas that touch on import and export compliance. She discusses how import and export compliance intersects with human trafficking.
Customs has the authority to issue a WRO (withhold-release-order) if they have information that reasonably indicates that goods were made, either in part or in full, with forced labor. The goods are detained until you can prove otherwise. The vast majority of forced labor detentions are done under WROs, Mollie says. You have to provide two things required by the regulations within 90 days or you can choose to export. However, customs has escalated so much that it is difficult to acquire all the necessary data within 90 days, unless you already have a good compliance program and good auditing in place.
“To require you to have mapped out your entire trade flow and be able to provide that kind of detail all the way through the chain; I think that’s something that hopefully will really be an impediment to trafficking over the long run,” Gwen shares.
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Potpourri Edition
Jonathan Armstrong returns from assignment to take on a potpourri of issues with co-host Tom Fox. We use the recent speech by Deputy Attorney General Lisa Monaco as a jumping off point to discuss how this change in DOJ enforcement policy and focus will be impacted by GDPR, the new EU Whistleblower Directive and how increased international cooperation around international anti-corruption compliance may play out. Some of the issues we consider include:
- Data protection issues under the new DOJ FCPA enforcement policy?
- Monitorships outside the US.
- Data privacy and investigations.
- Class actions in the UK going forward.
- Increased cooperation between the DOJ/SEC and the UK Serious Fraud Office.
Resources
Check out the Cordery Compliance, client alert on this topic, click here. For more information on Cordery Compliance, go their website here. Also check out the GDPR Navigator, one of the top resources for GDPR Compliance by clicking here.
Welcome to a special five-part blog post series on how to unlock the gold in your program. I visit with Gio Gallo and Nick Gallo, Co-CEO’s of ComplianceLine, LLC, the sponsor of this series.
One of the ongoing issues in compliance is to demonstrate the Return on Investment (ROI) in your compliance program. One way to do so is by demonstrating the extended value of compliance literally across your entire company. When overlaid with an ESG component, you can begin to see the gold in your compliance hills. In addition to showing how you can unlock the gold in your own compliance hills, Gio and Nick discussed demonstrating ROI for your internal budgeting process which can provide to you the financial resource to strengthen and improve your compliance program. Today, in Part 4, we consider finance and investment models for the corporate compliance function.
If there is one topic that every compliance professional understands it is risk analysis, but this is not the same type of risk analysis that a financial professional would look at. Gio noted that a finance professional would have a different focus in their risk lens. It would focus on such questions as “what is the risk of your investment? What is the risk in your model and your assumptions?” It is almost as if you need a translator to get into the room.
To Illustrate, he pointed to the example of a Black Swan event. With a Black Swan event you could have a wide distribution of different outcomes. A Black Swan event is very rare and it may be so small that it almost does not show up on your radar. However, “if you land on that number, right, if the roulette wheel spins around and lands at that number, it could be a total disaster. It can be an 80% chance everything will be fine and there’s a 90% chance we’ll be 10% bigger next year. And there’s a 70% chance that we’ll be 20% smaller or more difficult next year or whatever. Well, there might be a 0.0003% chance that this bad thing happens.” Yet the outcome is just so catastrophic, similar to the once in a 1,000-year flood, you cannot simply plan for it.”
Yet the Texas Gulf Coast had a 1,000-year flooding event in 2017 (and two 500-year flooding events withing 18 months). While you might not typically plan for the 1,000-year flood, it is a known possibility and I have lived through one and indeed and several 500-year floods. This means you must take the Black Swan concept and continuously re-evaluate it to move from something that could well happen because if it does, the result could be very bad and the circumstances have changed. This means you need to change your basic risk assumptions about calling it a Black Swan event. Gio had an interesting response to this and it was basically to think about storytelling. He listed several events such as the levees breaking causing the flooding of the city of New Orleans or the Fukishima Nuclear Plant flooding. These were both events which seemed very low probability yet were certainly within the realm of the possible. Perhaps even a known unknown.
This series of events illustrate that in the financial realm, you must be ready to move quickly. As Gio noted, “simply because you do not have the whole script and talk track put together and know that something terrible might happen. This can create a damaging dynamic between a CCO and someone in the finance function or in the executive level. Their response may well be ‘what do you want me to do about that?’ What are we going to do this month as there’s budget for it? So, if you can bridge that to, hey, we all know that this terrible stuff might happen and it’s not going to take a thousand years for a 1,000 year flood to happen.”
In response to this scenario, Nick said, “I suggest you take a little bit different tack than ignoring this Black Swan event.” Start by using the power of compounding interest to demonstrate your organization does not need to completely defend against this type of event in the next two months. You can use the power of your investment in compliance to essentially “build the levees a few feet higher so that when the next biggest flood occurs, we defend against it and talk about that in the realm of this is going to take another 2% of the compliance team’s budget to get a little bit better on this.” Even at this stage the compounding of the investment can create some very robust compliance practices for your organization. The bottom line is that if you we invest this 2% each year over the next five years, your compliance program will be five times better at defending against this 500 or 1,000-year flood.
Check out the full podcast series this blog post series is based upon.
Episode 1
Episode 2
Episode 3
Episode 4
Welcome to Season 2 of Lies, Spies & Corporate Crimes: The Wirecard Saga. The Wirecard Saga, has become of the world’s leading sources on all things Wirecard. In Lies, Spies & Corporate Crimes: The Wirecard Saga; Mikhail Reider-Gordon, Managing Director of Institutional Ethics & Integrity at Affiliated Monitors looks at the biggest financial scandal in post-war Germany from a variety of angles. In this Episode 1 of Season 2, Knotweed in the Edelweiss, she continues her exploration of those persons, entities and governments who have been damaged, some beyond repair, by Wirecard and the nuclear fallout from its scandal.
Some of the highlights include:
- Still room for the share price to fall
- Die Skandalrepublik
- Ambassadorial treason
- Saved to the phone
- Ott, the Peterliks, and Weiss
- Brigadier’s sword droops
- Swiss Army Knife of consulting
- Texting donuts
- Jenewein shares
- The Schutz eXXPress
- Maxima-l San Marino
- AOL IPSP
- Frederick Wilhelm’s offspring
- Agency for the Modernization of Ukraine
- Dark days