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SBR-Authors Podcast: Risk is the Soundtrack of Life with Jim Massey

Welcome to the SBR-Authors Podcast! In this podcast series, Host Tom Fox visits with authors in the compliance arena and beyond. In this episode, Tom Fox welcomes back Jim Massey to discuss Jim’s latest book, ‘Risk in Action: A Leader’s Guide to Clarity.’

They take a deep dive into how the book builds on the themes outlined in ‘Trust in Action,’ focusing on the comprehensive approach to managing risk, trust, and fear. Jim shares insights on redefining risk not as a binary choice but as a polarity to be managed, offering actionable steps for business and compliance leaders. He also introduces his new AI-driven risk assessment tool, designed to provide real-time, actionable insights. Jim emphasizes the importance of embracing risk as an opportunity for innovation and shares his key leadership lessons for navigating the ever-changing business landscape.

Key highlights:

  • The Genesis of ‘Risk in Action’
  • Understanding Risk and Its Importance
  • The Role of Fear in Risk Management
  • Innovative Risk Management Strategies
  • Leadership and Risk
  • The Future of Risk Assessments

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Risk in Action: What Jim Massey Teaches Us About Crossing the Gap

Corporate leaders love to talk about innovation, transformation, and building the future. Yet most organizations still get stuck in the same place: standing at the edge of a decision, staring into the unknown, and doing nothing. At that moment, the hesitation between where we are and where we need to go is the space Jim Massey calls the gap. And in Risk in Action, Massey makes a compelling argument that how leaders approach this gap will define not only their relevance but also their ability to lead in today’s fast-moving environment.

For the corporate compliance professional, this book is more than leadership philosophy. It is a practical guide for making disciplined, values-driven choices under uncertainty. It is also a call to rethink how our organizations confront risk, how we enable decision-making, and how we build systems that do more than slow the business down.

Risk as the Distance Between Now and Next

Early in the book, Massey reframes a concept that compliance professionals often treat as static. Risk, he argues, is not a heat map, a mitigation plan, or a quarterly review. Risk is the distance between where you are and where you want to be. Trust is the bridge. Fear is the fog that makes the crossing difficult (see Chapter 2). That deceptively simple framing is powerful. It exposes why so many organizations fall into oscillation: they mistake movement for progress. More meetings. More decks. More analysis. And yet nothing moves.

We tell ourselves we are being prudent, disciplined, or thorough when in reality we are waiting for fear to subside. Massey does not dismiss the importance of analysis. Instead, he asks leaders to confront their own reflexive relationship with risk. Whether the risk is regulatory, strategic, environmental, or reputational, the greater danger is not action; it is inaction. The world moves quickly. Competitors accelerate. Expectations shift. Standing still is its own risk, and often the most significant one.

Face, Frame, Forward: The Anatomy of Real Decision-Making

The central model in the book—Face, Frame, Forward—offers a decision-making cadence that leaders can apply daily. As Massey describes, the greatest failures he has seen in organizations did not come from a bad decision but from delaying a necessary one. His model helps break that paralysis.

Face

Facing risk begins with naming the truth in front of you. Not the sanitized version. The real version. What is the risk that keeps you up at night? What is the organizational behavior you keep tolerating? What is the emerging external pressure that is already reshaping your strategic environment? (see Chapter 4).  Massey’s point is blunt: You cannot frame a risk you refuse to see, and you cannot move forward from a place of ambiguity.

Frame

Framing is about meaning-making. Two companies can experience the same regulatory change, market disruption, or technology shift and respond in completely different ways. Why? Because they frame its significance differently (see Chapter 5). Framing is where compliance officers have enormous influence. We help leaders see regulatory shifts as more than check-the-box obligations. We help boards see cultural issues as more than HR noise. We help executives understand that ESG risks are strategic risks and that reputational risks are governance risks. Impact matters, yes. But meaning drives action.

Forward

Forward is where clarity becomes motion. Not recklessness. Not speed for speed’s sake. But disciplined, intentional, values-aligned action. Massey writes that the fog does not lift before we move. It lifts because we move (Chapter 6). That insight is especially relevant for compliance professionals. We often wait for the perfect policy, perfect data, or perfect operating plan. Yet most risks today evolve faster than our systems can process. The future belongs to organizations that move forward with clarity, not certainty.

Risk, Trust, and Fear: The Three-Dimensional Model of Leadership

What makes Risk in Action uniquely valuable for compliance professionals is Massey’s integration of risk, trust, and fear. These forces, he argues, are always active, competing, overlapping, and shaping our choices (see Chapter 7). Compliance professionals know this intuitively. A team hesitates to escalate a concern—not because they lack information, but because fear is louder than trust. A business unit drags its feet on a remediation plan—not because the fix is complicated, but because the risk feels abstract. A board over-rotates to control, not because of a regulatory requirement, but because fear has dominated the discussion.

Massey identifies three essential questions every leader must answer:

  1. Can we? (capability)
  2. Do we care? (intent and connection)
  3. Will we do it? (commitment)

These three elements—Can, Care, Do—form the building blocks of trust (see Chapter 8). And trust, in turn, is what enables movement across the risk gap.

FearFULL Leadership: Why Pretending to Be Fearless Does Not Work

One of the book’s most compelling contributions is Massey’s challenge to the myth of fearlessness. Leaders spend too much time trying to appear unshakable. In reality, fear shows up silently, through overcontrol, indecision, or relentless perfectionism. Massey argues for something more honest: becoming fearFULL, not devoid of fear, but full of awareness, reflection, and intention (see Chapter 9). FearFULL leaders admit the truth early. They ask the hard questions. They name the tension. And by doing so, they create a sense of psychological safety for others.

For compliance professionals, this matters enormously. Transparency, escalation, and ethical decision-making cannot coexist with unacknowledged fear. Leaders who cannot name their own fear cannot build environments where employees feel safe speaking up.

The Compliance Connection: Why This Book Matters for Our Profession

At its core, Risk in Action is about building systems and cultures where leaders face reality with honesty, interpret risks with clarity, and move with purpose. That is the very heart of compliance work. Massey critiques the old model of compliance as the organizational brake pedal. The modern compliance function must instead help the business navigate uncertainty, not out of fear, but with disciplined confidence (see Chapter 1).

Compliance does not eliminate risk. Compliance enables the organization to move forward intelligently. Risk in Action reinforces several truths compliance professionals have long understood:

  • Controls without comprehension fail.
  • Strategy without alignment stalls.
  • Culture without clarity decays.
  • And risk without action accumulates.

What Massey offers is a leadership model that makes movement possible again.

Five Key Takeaways for the Compliance Professional

  1. Risk is not a barrier. Risk is the path forward.
  2. Treating risk purely as something to avoid limits innovation and weakens relevance. Compliance must help leaders see risk as the space where opportunity lives.
  3. Face, Frame, Forward is a practical tool for enabling action.
  4. Name the risk clearly, interpret it through values and strategy, and move forward with intention. Avoid the organizational trap of oscillation.
  5. Trust is operational. Fear is real. And both shape risk decisions.
  6. Compliance programs must build systems that reinforce capability, connection, and commitment—because without trust, no risk model works.
  7. FearFULL leadership produces better compliance outcomes.
  8. Pretending to be fearless creates silence. Acknowledging fear creates honesty. Leaders who name fear make it safer for others to speak up early.
  9. Compliance must evolve from protectors to navigators.
  10. The speed of today’s risks demands a forward-looking, strategy-aligned compliance function. Your role is not to slow the business down; your role is to move it wisely.

Perhaps the most interesting overall concept posited by Massey is one I learned from John Lee Dumas from his interview in the award-winning podcast series, Looking Back on 9/11. On 9/11, Dumas was a college senior in ROTC, and that night, he knew he was going to war. As a 21-year-old Lieutenant, he led a 40-man tank crew in the invasion of Iraq. I asked him what he learned from his Army experience. He instantly responded, “Make a Decision.” He added that you never have perfect information, so you have to take what you have, synthesize it, and act on it. Massey makes clear that compliance leadership requires action.

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Popcorn and Compliance

Popcorn and Compliance: Episode 3 – Compliance in the Full Moonlight: Lessons from The Wolf Man

Welcome to a special series of Popcorn and Compliance. In this series, we will be looking at the Classic Universal Monster Movies from the 30s and 40s and mining them for compliance lessons. (Yes, it really is an excuse to rewatch them all.) In this series, we will look at Frankenstein, Dracula, The Wolf Man, The Mummy, and end with The Invisible Man. In this episode, Tom explores critical compliance insights drawn from Lon Chaney Jr.’s portrayal of The Wolf Man.

In this episode, we take a deep dive into my favorite Classic Universal Monster, The Wolf Man, to unpack five critical lessons, including the danger of ignoring warnings, the importance of timely intervention, and the challenges of recognizing risks in ordinary people under extraordinary circumstances. Listeners are encouraged to consider how these timeless themes apply to modern corporate compliance, emphasizing proactive measures to prevent potential catastrophes. Join Tom, along with AI hosts Fiona and Timothy, for a surprisingly relevant exploration of compliance through the eerie lens of Hollywood’s iconic monster movies.

Key highlights:

The Relevance of the Wolf Man to Modern Compliance

  • Lesson 1: Ordinary People Can Become Compliance Risks
  • Lesson 2: Warnings Ignored Become Disasters Realized
  • Lesson 3: The Curse of Silence and Stigma
  • Lesson 4: Risk is Cyclical and Predictable
  • Lesson 5: Tragedy Comes from a Lack of Intervention

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Compliance Lessons from Lon Chaney Jr.’s The Wolf Man on the FCPA Compliance and Ethics Blog

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Great Women in Compliance – Navigating Risk, Culture, and Compliance with Teri Cotton Santos

✨ New Episode Alert! ✨

On this special episode of #GWIC, guest host Ellen Hunt talks with the incredible Teri Cotton Santos, Chief Compliance Officer at Phillips 66.

Teri shares her inspiring journey—from serving as General Counsel in Asia at Eli Lilly to leading compliance at HF Sinclair, and now shaping the culture of ethics and compliance at Phillips 66.

🔑 Key takeaways from this conversation:

  • Why trust is the foundation of every effective compliance program
  • How to integrate risk, ethics, and strategy to create impact
  • Lessons in resilience and resourcefulness when leading with limited resources
  • Building compliance programs that are truly fit-for-purpose and built to scale
  • The growing importance of data, technology, and behavioral science in compliance work

Teri also reflects on #leadership, #mentorship, and the power of community in the compliance profession.

🎧 Tune in for an honest, thoughtful, and inspiring discussion about leading with purpose and integrity in today’s evolving regulatory environment.

🔗 Sponsored by Corporate Compliance Insights

#Compliance #Leadership #WomenInCompliance #GreatWomenInCompliance #Ethics #Trust

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Compliance Tip of the Day

Compliance Tip of the Day – How a CFO Views Compliance and Risk

Welcome to “Compliance Tip of the Day,” the podcast where we bring you daily insights and practical advice on navigating the ever-evolving landscape of compliance and regulatory requirements. Whether you’re a seasoned compliance professional or just starting your journey, we aim to provide you with bite-sized, actionable tips to help you stay on top of your compliance game. Join us as we explore the latest industry trends, share best practices, and demystify complex compliance issues to keep your organization on the right side of the law. Tune in daily for your dose of compliance wisdom, and let’s make compliance a little less daunting, one tip at a time.

Today, we conclude our multipart look at thinking through the ROI of your compliance program by considering how a CFO might well view compliance.

For more on this topic, check out The Compliance Handbook, a Guide to Operationalizing Your Compliance Program, 6th edition, which LexisNexis recently released. It is available here.

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Compliance Tip of the Day – Crowd Sourcing Risk Intelligence

Welcome to “Compliance Tip of the Day,” the podcast that brings you daily insights and practical advice on navigating the ever-evolving landscape of compliance and regulatory requirements. Whether you’re a seasoned compliance professional or just starting your journey, our goal is to provide you with bite-sized, actionable tips to help you stay ahead in your compliance efforts. Join us as we explore the latest industry trends, share best practices, and demystify complex compliance issues to keep your organization on the right side of the law. Tune in daily for your dose of compliance wisdom, and let’s make compliance a little less daunting, one tip at a time.

Today, we consider how you can use your data to crowdsource your risk intelligence.

For more information on this topic, refer to The Compliance Handbook: A Guide to Operationalizing Your Compliance Program, 6th edition, recently released by LexisNexis. It is available here.

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Daily Compliance News: April 14, 2025, The Cascade of Corruption Edition

Welcome to the Daily Compliance News. Each day, Tom Fox, the Voice of Compliance, brings you compliance-related stories to start your day. Sit back, enjoy your morning coffee, and listen to the Daily Compliance News. All from the Compliance Podcast Network. Each day, we consider four stories from the business world: compliance, ethics, risk management, leadership, or general interest for the compliance professional. Yesterday, Trump rolled back almost all tariffs he had imposed 48 hours earlier. We look at four stories on that issue from the compliance angle.

Top stories include:

  • Trump’s tariffs will lead to a cascade of corruption. (CNN)
  • What happens when you tell workers they are bad? (FT)
  • Trump creates both chaos and risk. (NYT)
  • China admits role in infrastructure hacks. (WSJ)
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Daily Compliance News: April 2, 2025, The All WSJ Edition

Welcome to the Daily Compliance News. Each day, Tom Fox, the Voice of Compliance, brings you compliance-related stories to start your day. Sit back, enjoy a cup of morning coffee, and listen to the Daily Compliance News—all from the Compliance Podcast Network. Each day, we consider four stories from the business world: compliance, ethics, risk management, leadership, or general interest for the compliance professional.

Top stories include:

  • What is the true cost of corruption-lost lives? (WSJ)
  • Agentic AI and ‘a moment of truth.’ (WSJ)
  • Head of EU Competition heads to US for Liberation Day. (WSJ)
  • The eyes of Dr. T. J. Eckleburg. (WSJ)
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10 For 10

10 For 10: Top Compliance Stories For the Week Ending March 29, 2025

Welcome to 10 For 10, the podcast that brings you the week’s Top 10 compliance stories in one podcast each week. Tom Fox, the Voice of Compliance, brings you the compliance professional and the compliance stories you need to know to end your busy week. Sit back, and in 10 minutes, hear the stories every compliance professional should know from the prior week. Every Saturday, 10 For 10 highlights the most important news, insights, and analysis for the compliance professional, all curated by the Voice of Compliance, Tom Fox. Get your weekly filling of compliance stories with 10 for 10, a podcast produced by the Compliance Podcast Network.

  • Will Habba go to trial in the Cognizant Tech execs case?  (NY Post)
  • Boeing was sued for the wrongful death of a whistleblower. (WSJ)
  • Even Bloomberg says to enforce the FCPA. (Bloomberg)
  • The House speaker says Congress can eliminate district courts. (Reuters)
  • What is the fire risk for your business? (NYT)
  • Judge orders Boeing to trial. (WSJ)
  • Mintz’s staff was freed after 2 years in Chinese jail.  (BBC)
  • Blatter and Platini were cleared of corruption charges. (Reuters)
  • Target DEI flip-flop costs. (Bloomberg)
  • Nadine Menendez’s: From Under the Bus to ‘Mon Amor”. (Bloomberg)

You can check out the Daily Compliance News, which features four curated compliance and ethics stories each day here.

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Daily Compliance News: March 24, 2025, The ABC Task Force Edition

Welcome to the Daily Compliance News. Each day, Tom Fox, the Voice of Compliance, brings you compliance-related stories to start your day. Sit back, enjoy a cup of morning coffee, and listen to the Daily Compliance News—all from the Compliance Podcast Network. Each day, we consider four stories from the business world: compliance, ethics, risk management, leadership, or general interest for the compliance professional.

Top stories include:

  • UK, France, and Switzerland launch the ABC task force. (WSJ)
  • How resilient is your power supply? (BBC)
  • China targets ‘petty’ corruption. (WSJ)
  • Is the Former Argentinian President banned from the US for corruption? (Buenos Aires Times)